Wednesday, January 12, 2011

Religion Revisited

Lisa F left me a comment yesterday that I just had to repost!
"Well, now that you've asked (uh oh here she goes...)
Cornelius Tactitus (55-117AD), regarded as the greatest Roman historian, wrote about Jesus' death and his followers; Mara Bar-Serapion, a Syrian from the first century wrote a letter to his son about Jews who killed their King. The letter is in the British Museum; Josephus, a first-century Roman-Jewish historian, didn't believe Jesus was Christ, but recorded him in his history books anyway. Ludian (120-180 A.D.), a Greek satirist, affirmed that Christ and his followers were real, not fictitious. There is even a Roman document fragment that mentions Pilot and Jesus in the same sentence. These are just the tip of the iceberg on ancient texts documenting the life and death of Jesus outside of the bible. As for the parallel stories, there are explanations of the wheres and whys here ("

 The link she left goes to a great argument about my post yesterday.  If you are at all interested, read it- It's contentions really do make me want to reread Timothy Freke, and see if he mentions if his insights came from dated material that were translated appropriately (much like the arguement of the English Bible not being translated exactly from the Hebrew version ie:Suffer not a witch to live)

So, if we can prove- which it appears that we surely can (This is what I've asked lots of people and no one could tell me- Thanks Lisa) that Jesus lived, and Moses lived- It is appropriate to teach the students that he was the man Christians consider the son of God, and that story has it Moses parted the sea- but I still maintain that the EE's phrasing in the books speaks as if the students all consider Jesus' Heavenly dad God.  They speak of God talking to Moses as fact.  They speak of Moses parting the sea in some, as fact.  They refer to the Christian God as God under the study of ancient places- but Zeus is Zeus under the study of ancient Myths.  See?  They still separate two religions into two categories:Truth and Myth.


LisaF said...

Happy I could add a bit of fodder for consideration. The major problem with biblical characters/events prior to routinely recording it is that most history was first transferred by oral tradition. Which, in itself is a good thing because if someone were to tell a fabricated story, someone else would surely call them on the carpet about it. New Testament events are continually being proven through archeological discoveries. As for the OT, much of it still is a matter of faith...for now. :-)

SuziCate said...

I for one have been fascinated with the archeoligal discoveries...still wondering what happened with what they thought might be Noah's ark...of course, it's iced in some area that it can't be excavated!